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#61 19178212 12 Jan 2021 16:20

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19178212 12 Jan 2021 16:20

Well ok, at least I didnt release any magic smoke... yet
At this point I have all components on the board. However when I connect usb-c power I dont get LED-s up. I can mesure 5.125V next to USB connector.

I can tell some component are getting warm but no picture, no LED-s.
Any sugestrions to where do I start debugging? I am including picture of the board if there is something obious.

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#62 19178224 12 Jan 2021 16:28

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piotr_go hat geschrieben:
Reminder:
For first boot You may need to short pin 7 and 8 of flash.
#63 19178308 12 Jan 2021 17:01

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19178308 12 Jan 2021 17:01

Yep. I did try that first but still the same. No diiferance . Shuld I get LEDs up without conecting pins 7 and 8 of W25Q128JV?
I am noticing 1117M3 is getting hot quickly. Do I have right component here?

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#64 19178323 12 Jan 2021 17:06

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Shuld I get LEDs up without conecting pins 7 and 8 of W25Q128JV?

No.

rrodic hat geschrieben:
I am noticing 1117M3 is getting hot quickly. Do I have right component here?

Maybe you switched them? 1.2V close to FPGA. Check voltages.
Check 16MHz generator.
#65 19178354 12 Jan 2021 17:23

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19178354 12 Jan 2021 17:23

Oh crap! I am noticing now two different components, two different voltages. To start with I probably ordered wrong specs
Any chace you can recomend something from Mouser/DigiKey for these two components?
I am refering to SPX1117-1.2v and 3.3v. I am very lame with voltage regulators

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#66 19178403 12 Jan 2021 17:45

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19178403 12 Jan 2021 17:45

What regulators did you use?

3.3V:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/maxlinear-inc/SPX1117M3-L-3-3-TR/2472291
1.2V:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments/TLV1117LV12DCYR/2666506

Check first with bench supply or something, your fpga might be dead if you connected 3.3V instead 1.2V.
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#67 19178410 12 Jan 2021 17:55

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19178410 12 Jan 2021 17:55

I used compleatly wrong link: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/maxlinea...S%2FCBhQS5rCrAuP2Q%252bV2BLw==&countrycode=CA¤cycode=CAD

Output Type: Adjustable.

Stupid.

Ok! I ordered new components. Knowing DigiKey I will have this until tomorrow evening.
Piotr thank you for your amazing help and quick reply!

With some luck we will have sucsesfull boot shortly.

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#68 19178440 12 Jan 2021 17:58

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Output Type: Adjustable.

Hmmmm, if i'm not mistaken they should output 1.25V, that's good news.
Which one heats up? 3.3V rail or 1.2V rail?
Can you messure voltages?
#69 19178455 12 Jan 2021 18:02

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19178455 12 Jan 2021 18:02

3.3V rail get hot very quickly!
I guess not surptisingly

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#70 19178468 12 Jan 2021 18:06

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19178468 12 Jan 2021 18:06

Desolder the 3.3V 1117 and check (pcb) if 3.3V is shorted to gnd.
Measure 1.2V.
#71 19178538 12 Jan 2021 18:29

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19178538 12 Jan 2021 18:29

Sorry Piotr, I received your message somewhat late. I already removed v regulators. However I can notice that I have continuity on the board for 3.3v-reg position pin1 to pin4 (included on the picture). I am not sure if this is normal?

Should I put regulator back on 1.2V position? Where do you want me to mesure exactly?
#72 19178568 12 Jan 2021 18:39

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I am not sure if this is normal?

No.
Desolder 16MHz generator (i'm guessing) and check again.
#73 19178898 12 Jan 2021 20:21

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19178898 12 Jan 2021 20:21

Yep. You are right it is the crystral.
This is the one I have: https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/AM1...0RXMG45TGtcL1dRUWJ2RE5cL0JMY2o0blZuY2hSIn0%3D

Looks like I was mounting the component the wrong way. I was trying to do it the same way as in your picture but perhaps orientation for this one is different?

I checked continuity of the crystal and looks like it will create a short every time if mouted vericaly?
#74 19178936 12 Jan 2021 20:30

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rrodic hat geschrieben:
I checked continuity of the crystal and looks like it will create a short every time if mouted vericaly?

It's because it should be 16MHz 3.3V generator, not crystal.

https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/microchip-technology/DSC6111CI1A-016-0000/6211222
https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/sitime/SIT8008BC-23-33E-16-000000G/11388804
#75 19178955 12 Jan 2021 21:03

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19178955 12 Jan 2021 21:03

That explains it

Alright! Order submitted. By tomorrow, latest day after tomorrow I will have components.
Once I have working board I will spend some time making online component locator and perhaps detailed BOM for lame people like me. I asume your list Piotr is more than pricese for people with experience and knowlage. In my case at least PDF with component spec. would be of use. Perhaps I can do that as well, download documentation for every component as referance....

Piotr, again thank you for amazing suppot. I really enjoy this journey!

In the meantime I want to show you what I did receantly
I had few minor issues during the build but in general smooth ride..
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#76 19179158 12 Jan 2021 21:35

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19179158 12 Jan 2021 21:35

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In the meantime I want to show you what I did receantly

Nice work.
It must have cost a fortune.

8088 is Micro 8088, zx-uno pcb is modified by me.
Rest are my retro projects.
#77 19179316 12 Jan 2021 22:17

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19179316 12 Jan 2021 22:17

Omg! This is freaking fantastic!!
I love it all!

Re-Amiga 1200 was ok in terms of the price. Donor board was dead. I only replaced Paula chip. But I spent a fortune on my new hobby buying all sorts of stuff

What is Cyclone IV system?
If I am not mistaken Vampire runs Cyclone III. So this is probably powerful little board?
8088 is also very cool. New old PC

Your work in remarkable!

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#78 19179347 12 Jan 2021 22:27

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Cyclone IV:

https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3085689-30.html#15646967

And i forgot this tiny thing (unfinished):

https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3558643.html
#79 19179622 13 Jan 2021 00:29

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19179622 13 Jan 2021 00:29

This is all fantastic stuff.
I need to chek all this.

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#80 19184593 15 Jan 2021 07:30

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19184593 15 Jan 2021 07:30

Up and running!!!

Question. So far everything works great!

1. I still dont have PS/2 mouse so I noticed that my original Amiga mouse is not supported - serial port 1. Is this expected?
2. I created KICK31SD.ROM using patch.sh - Amiga600 3.1 Rom. When used in DIY this ROM31SD.ROM works well however I dont know how to boot Amiga HDD from SD? I have SD card ready (2GB with WB 3.1) very basic install - works on Amiga 600. Following the instractions from youtube video: Load AmigaCore with KICK31SD.ROM, insert SD card with AmigaOS, reset and OS will boot? In my case I gey only kickstart screen. Am I missing something?

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#81 19185315 15 Jan 2021 13:40

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19185315 15 Jan 2021 13:40

1. In standard core only PS/2 KB & mouse. I will send you A500 KB&M version.

2. SD image:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3598849.html#18128871
You can format ClassicWB partition and install Workbench from a floppy.

Check md5sum of patched "KICK31SD.ROM": 75c85b4119f913c64344e8022363d1b7
#82 19185612 15 Jan 2021 15:55

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19185612 15 Jan 2021 15:55

Thank you for your quick reply Piotr.
Yes, md5 is correct.

My question is what do I do with this RAW file? I asume I just need to DD this RAW dump to SD?
Since I did that and I was not able to boot Workbench. Now from what you are saying this is just partition reconizable by DIY-A586 so after dumping RAW to SD I will need to use WB floppy to setup the system? Is there any way we can DD already existing pre-installed Amiga HardDisk image?
Also is there any limit in terms of partition size. SInce this is 3.1 I asume 4GB is the limit?

Cheeres,

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#83 19185649 15 Jan 2021 16:07

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rrodic hat geschrieben:
I asume I just need to DD this RAW dump to SD?

Yes

rrodic hat geschrieben:
Since I did that and I was not able to boot Workbench.

What exactly happened?
Can you make a video (with led's visible)? Start from power on.

rrodic hat geschrieben:
Is there any way we can DD already existing pre-installed Amiga HardDisk image?

2 amiga partitions present in SD image.

================ update ================
Amiga only SD image with 2 empty partitions.
Updated Kickstart 3.1 patch.

Anhänge:

Amiga_SD_clean.raw.zip Download (2.42 MB) Punkty: 1 für den Benutzer

kick31 sd patch (xdelta).tar.gz Download (26.73 KB) Punkty: 1 für den Benutzer
#84 19186551 15 Jan 2021 21:32

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19186551 15 Jan 2021 21:32

I am still unsecsesfull regarding SD+3.1
Here are the steps:

First I am using new 2GB SD card.
dd if=SD_clean.raw of=/dev/disk3 bs=2048k
....write is sucssesful.

Then I located original rom 3.1 from Amiga 600. I will copy the ROM from AmigaForever dir to patch dir, rename to KICK31.ROM

Execure patch.sh script. Since I have xdelta installed everything worked fine without any warnings about MD5 since I have the right ROM. I also manualy checked MD5 and it is a match.

At this time I asume I have the right KICK31SD.ROM. I will copy the file to my other SD card that I am using for programming DIY. Also I will copy latest Main, Amiga cores provided by Piotr.

Next step I am updating cores on DIY and uploading KICK31SD.ROM in FLASH section. I asume this is the right place.

I will execure Amiga31+SD core and everything works well, I have kickstart screen. I will insert Wokbench 3.1 install floppy disk. Disk will boot sucsesfully.

I will insert my 2GB SD card that I prepared using DD and press reset button.
DIY will boot Amiga using install floppy again.
Then I will start HDD Partition software - ->No disk found<- (See the image)

Cheers,

Ranko
#85 19186591 15 Jan 2021 21:45

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19186591 15 Jan 2021 21:45

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First I am using new 2GB SD card.

SDHC(>4GB) only.
I didn't bother with the older ones as they can't be purchased anymore.
(yeah, i know about ebay)
#86 19186738 15 Jan 2021 22:47

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19186738 15 Jan 2021 22:47

Same result
This time I was using WinUAE to check SD card and make sure I can see Amiga partition. Everything looks good but DIY is not detecting SD card within Amiga OS. Reason still unknown.

I am including the image of SD card and result in WinUEA.

Cheers,

Ranko
#87 19186771 15 Jan 2021 23:03

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19186771 15 Jan 2021 23:03

rrodic hat geschrieben:
dd if=SD_clean.raw of=/dev/disk3

I write image with command:
Zitat:
cp SD_clean.raw /dev/sdX

without number at the end.
(Be careful)

Are you sure your card is "/dev/disk3"?

What "dmesg" shows when you insert your card.
#88 19186780 15 Jan 2021 23:07

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19186780 15 Jan 2021 23:07

I will try method you suggested now.
Yes I am sure, reason is I was using OSX in this case. You are probably using Debian based distro.
Keep in mind, WinUAE and real Amiga can read the card and can detect two partitions you made.

I will try cp method now just in case. You never know.

Cheers,

Ranko
#89 19186795 15 Jan 2021 23:14

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19186795 15 Jan 2021 23:14

If the card works for uploadning cores, it should work with amiga.
There must be something wrong with writing the image.
Partitions should be visible in workbench.
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19186798 15 Jan 2021 23:17

I will try with my Ubunty notebook.
Maybe OSX is doing something strange.

Wait, what do you mean used for uploading cores? This is only two Amiga partition(s) image no?
I didnt check if there is any FAT32 partitions. I will do so now.

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Das DIY-A586 v1.6 ist eine FPGA-basierte Retrocomputing-Platine mit einem Spartan-6 XC6SLX9 FPGA, 8 MB 16-Bit SDRAM, 16 MB Flash-Speicher für Core und ROM, HDMI-Ausgang, analogem Audioausgang, Kassettendeck-Eingang, SD-Kartensteckplatz, RS232, zwei Joystick- und PS/2-Anschlüssen, Amiga 500 Tastaturanschluss sowie Diskettenlaufwerksanschlüssen. Die Flash-Speicher können bis zu 30 Konfigurationen speichern, die per Menü ausgewählt werden können. Die Diskettenlaufwerksunterstützung umfasst Amiga- und PC-Laufwerke, wobei für zwei Laufwerke ein spezieller DF0/DF1-Splitter mit PIC16F15313 als Motorsignal-Latch verwendet wird. Die Firmware unterstützt Amiga ECS (kein AGA wegen FPGA-Ressourcen), NES, Spectrum und PC (ca. 80186). Die Programmierung des Flash erfolgt initial über einen SPI-Programmierer (z.B. CH341A), danach Updates über SD-Karte möglich. Für den ersten Boot ist ggf. das Kurzschließen von Pins 7 und 8 am Flash erforderlich. Die SD-Karte muss eine MBR mit primärer FAT32-Partition besitzen; SDHC-Karten (>4GB) werden empfohlen. Die Amiga-Emulation benötigt Kickstart-ROMs (1.3, 3.1, 3.2) und kann von SD booten, wobei Disketten-Emulation nicht integriert ist. Gotek-Laufwerke sind mit modifizierten Kernen nutzbar, jedoch gibt es Einschränkungen bei Flash-Floppy. Die Platine wird manuell bestückt, Bauteile sind teilweise schwer erhältlich (z.B. AS4C4M16SA-5TCN SDRAM). Für Diskettenlaufwerke ist auf korrekte Verkabelung und Stromversorgung (12 V für originale Amiga-Laufwerke) zu achten. Die Community entwickelt Gehäuse (3D-Druck) und Komponentendatenbanken. Die Verilog-Quellen für den Amiga-Core sollen veröffentlicht werden. Probleme bei der SD-Karten-Erkennung und Bootvorgängen wurden durch unterschiedliche SD-Karten und Formatierungsmethoden gelöst. Die Platine ist als Open-Design verfügbar, kommerzielle Nutzung ist untersagt, Verkauf erfolgt nicht direkt, sondern als DIY-Kit. Die Diskussion umfasst auch Tipps zur Spannungsreglerwahl (SPX1117M3-L-3.3, TLV1117LV12DCYR), Taktgenerator (16 MHz 3.3V Generator, kein Kristall), und ESD-Schutz (PUSB3FR4Z).
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